The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby C » 23 Oct 2021, 21:25

Thanks for organising that Rob - a great job

I'm happy with the top 20

The only band I am not familiar with is Radiohead.

I have never knowingly heard anything by them

But I am sure they are robust - my loss, I know



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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby mudshark » 23 Oct 2021, 21:35

That sure is your loss. They've got some fantastic music. Kid A is my favourite, I think.
They're called 'the new Pink Floyd by many. not sure if I can go that far, but it's not entirely ridiculous.
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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby ChrisB » 23 Oct 2021, 23:36

Radiohead are the band Pink Floyd could only have dreamed of becoming

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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby Spock! » 24 Oct 2021, 00:19

Can't believe Kraftwerk didn't make the 20.



















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Postby trans-chigley express » 24 Oct 2021, 00:47

John aka Josh wrote:Can't believe Kraftwerk didn't make the 20.



















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I eventually disregarded electronic and krautrock for my final list though I included them on my initial list. Not sure whether right or wrong but I opted for more strictly Prog kind of acts although it's increasingly hard to define this

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Last Morning to vote for 11-20 Placings

Postby Hightea » 24 Oct 2021, 03:55

robertff wrote:

So the final Prog Premier League Table of 2021 looks like this:

1. Yes (Champions)
2. Genesis
3. King Crimson
4. Pink Floyd
5. Jethro Tull
6.= Gentle Giant
6.= VDGG
8. ELP
9. Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson
10. Rush

11. Caravan
12. Focus
13. Marillion
14. Mike Oldfield
15= Strawbs
15= Soft Machine
15= Radiohead
18. Moody Blues
19. Renaissance
20. Camel


Once again 11 people voted. Thanks everyone who took part.



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Nice job Rob

Glad to see Radiohead, Strawbs and Soft Machine made it all tied. :lol:
I could replace the last three but no problem with them.

Biggest problem here in my eyes is the lack of Brian Eno? Odd how because he did so many different things he gets misplaced in prog.

Interesting comment :
"Post-progressive's beginning may be located after 1978.[13] Author Bill Martin argues that Robert Fripp, Bill Laswell, and Peter Gabriel could all be considered transitional figures in post-progressive rock, crediting Brian Eno as the music's most important catalyst, and explaining that his 1973–77 solo albums merged "warped aspects of progressive rock" with "a strange premonition of punk" and "the first approximations of new wave".[14] Additionally, Talking Heads expanded new wave by combining the urgency of punk rock with the sophistication of progressive rock, as Martin writes: "A good deal of the more interesting rock since that time is clearly 'post-Talking Heads' music, but that means it is post-progressive rock as well."[14] After the 1970s, the post-progressive style followed in the traditions of King Crimson's 1981 album Discipline, with its introduction of minimalism and ethnic musics, elements which were new to rock."

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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby Hightea » 24 Oct 2021, 03:58

John aka Josh wrote:Can't believe Kraftwerk didn't make the 20.



















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Also puzzled too but I've been confused by the thoughts here on both Krautrock and Electronic Music.

Also sad by Gong not making it. I actually think they have more influence on music then some of the other bands on this list.

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Re: The Prog Premier League - Last Morning to vote for 11-20 Placings

Postby Brickyard Jack » 24 Oct 2021, 07:13

robertff wrote:
So the final Prog Premier League Table of 2021 looks like this:

1. Yes (Champions)
2. Genesis
3. King Crimson
4. Pink Floyd
5. Jethro Tull
6.= Gentle Giant
6.= VDGG
8. ELP
9. Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson
10. Rush

11. Caravan
12. Focus
13. Marillion
14. Mike Oldfield
15= Strawbs
15= Soft Machine
15= Radiohead
18. Moody Blues
19. Renaissance
20. Camel



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Interesting project.

I have two albums by Genesis, 6 albums and a comp by Floyd (though hardly their most proggish records), an ELP comp (I only have it for one track), 4 albums by Oldfield (3 of which are called Tubular Bells in some form or other) and a Moodys comp. And the single of Part of the Union by the Strawbs.
Nothing by any of others.

As for Kraftwerk, surely from Autobahn on they are a rock/pop band. I don't know the earlier records so maybe they are prog.

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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby Neil Jung » 24 Oct 2021, 09:26

C wrote:Thanks for organising that Rob - a great job

I'm happy with the top 20

The only band I am not familiar with is Radiohead.

I have never knowingly heard anything by them

But I am sure they are robust - my loss, I know



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Yes you have. You bought Moon Shaped Pool, said it wasn’t your thing and returned it for a refund. Cloth eared old fool!
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Postby Lord Rother » 24 Oct 2021, 09:44

:lol:

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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby C » 24 Oct 2021, 13:51

Neil Jung wrote:
Yes you have. You bought Moon Shaped Pool, said it wasn’t your thing and returned it for a refund. Cloth eared old fool!


Bloody 'ell lad - you've got a better memory than me!

'tis true

I still stand by what I said - I probably turned it off after 30 seconds of track 1.....




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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby Neil Jung » 24 Oct 2021, 17:16

C wrote:
Neil Jung wrote:
Yes you have. You bought Moon Shaped Pool, said it wasn’t your thing and returned it for a refund. Cloth eared old fool!


Bloody 'ell lad - you've got a better memory than me!

'tis true

I still stand by what I said - I probably turned it off after 30 seconds of track 1.....

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I remember it because I love that album and was shocked and disappointed that you didn’t give it a chance. I know it doesn’t sound anything like the music of 1971 but you should have at least given it a couple of proper listens. They’re not so highly rated for nothing you know!

Surely you’ve heard Radiohead’s most popular album The Bends? Maybe you could redeem your tarnished reputation by giving it a go on Qobuz?!
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Re: The Prog Premier League - Last Morning to vote for 11-20 Placings

Postby Matt Wilson » 24 Oct 2021, 17:33

Hightea wrote:
Interesting comment :
"Post-progressive's beginning may be located after 1978.[13] Author Bill Martin argues that Robert Fripp, Bill Laswell, and Peter Gabriel could all be considered transitional figures in post-progressive rock, crediting Brian Eno as the music's most important catalyst, and explaining that his 1973–77 solo albums merged "warped aspects of progressive rock" with "a strange premonition of punk" and "the first approximations of new wave".[14] Additionally, Talking Heads expanded new wave by combining the urgency of punk rock with the sophistication of progressive rock, as Martin writes: "A good deal of the more interesting rock since that time is clearly 'post-Talking Heads' music, but that means it is post-progressive rock as well."[14] After the 1970s, the post-progressive style followed in the traditions of King Crimson's 1981 album Discipline, with its introduction of minimalism and ethnic musics, elements which were new to rock."


And how can one even mention Discipline and not the Talking Heads in the same sentence?

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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby C » 24 Oct 2021, 17:34

Hightea wrote:Also sad by Gong not making it. I actually think they have more influence on music then some of the other bands on this list.


Agreed

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Postby Tom Waits For No One » 27 Oct 2021, 10:39

To add nothing to the debate, here's my brother's mate and his prog ramblings.
If you have an hour or so to waste......





I think he's a bit of a tool
Give a shit or be a shit.

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Postby C » 28 Oct 2021, 13:07

Neil Jung wrote:Maybe you could redeem your tarnished reputation by giving it a go on Qobuz?!


:lol:

Maybe....




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Postby Hightea » 28 Oct 2021, 22:16

Tom Waits For No One wrote:To add nothing to the debate, here's my brother's mate and his prog ramblings.
If you have an hour or so to waste......





I think he's a bit of a tool


I watched nice he included
Tangerine Dream and Soft Machine.
Noticed he stayed away from Pink Floyd and Zappa.

I'll never get the love of Caravan over Gong. Don't get me wrong I love some Caravan but they don't come close to Gong a more complexed and interesting prog band.

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Postby trans-chigley express » 29 Oct 2021, 05:19

Neil Jung wrote:Maybe you could redeem your tarnished reputation by giving it a go on Qobuz?!


I'm surprised you thought he had a reputation to tarnish :lol:

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Postby Neil Jung » 29 Oct 2021, 09:02

trans-chigley express wrote:
Neil Jung wrote:Maybe you could redeem your tarnished reputation by giving it a go on Qobuz?!


I'm surprised you thought he had a reputation to tarnish :lol:


I was being kind!
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Re: The Prog Premier League - The Final League Table

Postby C » 29 Oct 2021, 19:02

Neil Jung wrote:
trans-chigley express wrote:
Neil Jung wrote:Maybe you could redeem your tarnished reputation by giving it a go on Qobuz?!


I'm surprised you thought he had a reputation to tarnish :lol:


I was being kind!


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