Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5 *The Fish 4- n/e 8*

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Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5 *The Fish 4- n/e 8*

Postby never/ever » 27 Nov 2019, 09:50

A

Michael Chapman - Trinkets And Rings





B

Robbie Basho - The Grail And The Lotus

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby toomanyhatz » 28 Nov 2019, 06:23

Nice matchup - two guitar whizzes with very different styles.

Chapman's always been a bit hit-and-miss for me. I like how aggressive his tone is, and he's generally had good bands - Mick Ronson at one point iirc! - but he generally doesn't have a lot of emotional resonance.

B is the opposite - if you're not on board with what he does, it can seem dull, even a bit dreary. But stick with it and it's generally rewarding. This one carries me along nicely, with enough variety to perk up my interest just when the zen master is about to hit me with his stick.
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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby C » 28 Nov 2019, 16:50

toomanyhatz wrote:Nice matchup - two guitar whizzes with very different styles.


Agreed

I always feel like I should like Chapman more than I actually do - I bought Rainmaker and Fully Qualified Survivor when they came out.

Both had their moments but I didn't love them.

This track sums that feeling up - almost but not quite. All the ingredients are there but.....

The said track is undoubtedly full of music but that music is not always to my liking.

It's a bit too busy

Basho plays beautifully and has a great intriguing, almost portentous, voice but sadly on this instrumental track - no voice!

The instrumental didn't hold me.

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A has it

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Purgatory Brite » 28 Nov 2019, 19:04

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Jumper K » 29 Nov 2019, 07:52

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby pcqgod » 29 Nov 2019, 17:41

B is a very engaging and emotive instrumental, loose in structure that suggests good, pure musical instincts that transcend music theory.

A is a more traditionally structured composition that I love because of the singer's voice, the slide guitar, the tablas, and the rockin'est bass part I've ever heard in a folk song.

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Darkness_Fish » 29 Nov 2019, 21:12

I also bought a Chapman album when he resurfaced to critical acclaim, and I also found it to be somewhat underwhelming. The album I have is all instrumental, which is a bonus if this song is anything to go by. Again, this seems very far removed from folk music, with that steel guitar crappiness and rock attitude from the vocal. Nope, can't say as I enjoy this at all.

B's Robbie Basho, who was an actual deity who briefly joined us in this corporeal realm to spread beauty and wonder, and generally be ignored. Like C, I actually prefer the songs where his distinctive and bold stentorian voice echoes above the strings, but bloody hell, his playing is otherworldly and stunning. He never seems flashy, no matter how intricate or fast, he always seems to play with a sense of sublime purpose, like he's just channeling the music from a deeper source.

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby fange » 30 Nov 2019, 05:00

Interesting choices. I like this Chapman record very much, but the "is it folk enough?" question does raise itself a little for me, especially when it's against such lovely steel picking by RB.


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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby trans-chigley express » 30 Nov 2019, 12:22

I like the Chapman despite the vocals which I'm not keen on. The tablas really kept it grooving along nicely.

B is some great atmospheric steel strings playing, reminded me of the John Fahey track in an earlier match, and also of Anthony Phillips' style that seems influenced by Basho.

A good match to finish off on. B just.

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Spock! » 30 Nov 2019, 23:45

Both of these tracks might well have one if paired against most of the other offerings of this round.



Marginally preferred the instrumental, which was more consistently pleasing than A, of which the last minute was by far the best part.


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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Corporate whore » 01 Dec 2019, 19:22

OK, so B is lovely and everything, but (and I come from a very broad definition) is it folk? There are echo's of Indian music in there, but not what I'm looking for when someone mentions the F word.

A is OK, good even, but there have been much better tracks then this in the previous rounds.

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Nick Danger » 02 Dec 2019, 18:13

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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby Neige » 04 Dec 2019, 07:14

Love the bass in A, but there's no song, is there?

Basho is a strange case, he always sounds as he's making it up as he goes along, sometimes getting lost and making you wonder whether the rhytmhic idiosyncrasies are deliberate or not - but that's really pleasant and interesting.


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Re: Folk Cup 2019 Final Match 5

Postby never/ever » 04 Dec 2019, 09:08

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