Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby robertff » 03 Jul 2022, 16:06

Why no love for TOTr'n'rTYTD?

I like it.

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby C » 03 Jul 2022, 17:50

robertff wrote:Why no love for TOTr'n'rTYTD?

I like it.

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So doI

There re an abundance of excellent tracks on the album

The title track is a little tiresome now but that's due to over exposure








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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby Jumper K » 03 Jul 2022, 18:16

C wrote:This is an adorable album - full off music and so much for everybody

I reckon there's even something in there forThe Fish too...!

As our dear friend Rob states: file under progressive

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try this [and under there minutes]:







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Make it go away. For ever.

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby Charlie O. » 03 Jul 2022, 19:48

C wrote:
robertff wrote:Why no love for TOTr'n'rTYTD?

I like it.

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So do I

There are an abundance of excellent tracks on the album.

Gosh, if you say so. I say there are a few okay-ish musical ideas hamstrung by rubbish lyrics; the bulk of it is just poor all 'round. "Salamander" is probably the best thing on it (not counting the gatefold comic), and had it transpired during the WarChild or Minstrel sessions I suspect it would have been left in the can.
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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby C » 03 Jul 2022, 21:51

Charlie O. wrote:
C wrote:
robertff wrote:Why no love for TOTr'n'rTYTD?

I like it.

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So do I

There are an abundance of excellent tracks on the album.

Gosh, if you say so. I say there are a few okay-ish musical ideas hamstrung by rubbish lyrics; the bulk of it is just poor all 'round. "Salamander" is probably the best thing on it (not counting the gatefold comic), and had it transpired during the WarChild or Minstrel sessions I suspect it would have been left in the can.


Fair points Chas.

Having looked at the track listing I may have ben a bit over-enthusiastic...!

I think I rate this though:



[Yes I do!]





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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby C » 03 Jul 2022, 21:53

C wrote:
Fair points Chas.

Having looked at the track listing I may have ben a bit over-enthusiastic...!

I think I rate this though:



[Yes I do!]



This is excellent!




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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby Quaco » 03 Jul 2022, 21:54

Benefit is one of my favorite JT albums. The depth of things like "Inside" (maybe their greatest track), "For Michael Collins...", "Son", and "Alive and Well..." make it very special indeed. Anderson was rarely this real.

Something happened during/after Minstrel. They became an image of an image. The cartoon album was witness to that.
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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby Rorschach » 04 Jul 2022, 13:47

robertff wrote:An excellent album C. but you can't change the mind of those who don't want to change their mind.


Or even those who give it a bash but don't like that sort of thing.
I just listened to it all the way through and I don't like it at all. The drumming and the bass playing seem quite good (so, of course, they sacked the bass player straight after for being too rock 'n' roll) and the musicianship seems generally good, but I don't like the songs. I was mildly enjoying the opening track and worrying that I might actually find myself enjoying a prog album but then they threw in a gratuitous and grating key change and normality was restored.
The yodelling codpiece/nasal sneering style of singing isn't my cup of tea but it's not as obnoxious as Richard Thompson, and some of the harmonies are quite nice. In fact, there are nice bits here and there; they just ruin them with lots of crap bits. I reckon you could distill this into a decent single if you put al the good bits into one song.
Even make it a double A-side because ....

Quaco wrote:Benefit is one of my favorite JT albums. The depth of things like "Inside" (maybe their greatest track), ....


I actually like the track Inside and have put it into a Spotify playlist.

Not a great return from listening to the whole album but better than I might have expected.
Bugger off.

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby The Fish » 04 Jul 2022, 14:16

Rorschach wrote: not as obnoxious as Richard Thompson.


YOU - Outside NOW

Corp Whore wants a word

What - you seriously thnk I'd be risking THIS face?
We're way past rhubarb

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby Rorschach » 04 Jul 2022, 14:37

The Fish wrote:
Rorschach wrote: not as obnoxious as Richard Thompson.


YOU - Outside NOW

Corp Whore wants a word

What - you seriously thnk I'd be risking THIS face?



Great guitarist and some great songs but he needs someone else to sing them.
Bugger off.

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby ChrisB » 04 Jul 2022, 15:14

Rorschach wrote:
The Fish wrote:
Rorschach wrote: not as obnoxious as Richard Thompson.


YOU - Outside NOW

Corp Whore wants a word

What - you seriously thnk I'd be risking THIS face?



Great guitarist and some great songs but he needs someone else to sing them.


That probably sums up 50% of my albums

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Postby robertff » 04 Jul 2022, 15:41

Rorschach wrote:

Great guitarist and some great songs but he needs someone else to sing them.



Clearly, it is all a matter of taste, I like his voice and his guitar playing is peerless. His voice accompanies his unique guitar playing and the type of music he plays perfectly I think.


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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby Rorschach » 04 Jul 2022, 15:47

robertff wrote:
Rorschach wrote:

Great guitarist and some great songs but he needs someone else to sing them.



Clearly, it is all a matter of taste...


Well, that's it, isn't it. You clearly know and love your music and you like his voice. I don't get it.
I actually would like to like him because I fucking love some of his guitar playing and I Want to See the Bright Lights is an all time favourite recording but his voice sets my teeth on edge.
Curious that different people should hear the same thing so differently.
Bugger off.

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby robertff » 04 Jul 2022, 15:55

Rorschach wrote:
robertff wrote:An excellent album C. but you can't change the mind of those who don't want to change their mind.


Or even those who give it a bash but don't like that sort of thing.



So you are biased right from the start and it’s difficult, if not impossible, to see through that bias. Don’t get me wrong I feel the same about music I don’t like. It’s too hard to filter the bias, you cannot be open minded even if you try to persuade yourself that you are. If you don’t like prog that’s fine. There are genres of music I don’t like and I know I’m not going to waste my time trying, life is too short. So well done for trying but it was never going to be, no need to try again.


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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby naughty boy » 04 Jul 2022, 16:46

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Postby Quaco » 05 Jul 2022, 19:00

Rorschach wrote:
Quaco wrote:Benefit is one of my favorite JT albums. The depth of things like "Inside" (maybe their greatest track), ....


I actually like the track Inside and have put it into a Spotify playlist.

Not a great return from listening to the whole album but better than I might have expected.

I think Ian Anderson has a human, introverted side that we see all too rarely. Usually it's masked by observations and criticisms of those around him. More and more, the introverted part is the real thing I enjoy with him. There was a few-albums period where this was present, then gone forever. If you're curious, there's some similar stuff on Stand Up ("Reasons for Waiting" "Back to the Family" "Look into the Sun") and the Living in the Past comp ("Wond'ring Again"), though the latter is two albums to listen to for perhaps only a couple things you might like!

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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby mudshark » 05 Jul 2022, 19:24

Try side 3 of Living in the Past, Tym!
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Postby C » 05 Jul 2022, 21:34

John plays all the keyboards throughout and very nice they are too




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Re: Not just for the Benefit of prog goons...

Postby C » 05 Jul 2022, 21:35

With you there to help me......





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